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  Do you think Ruthaford is buried at Beth Sharim?

  by blownaway in

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  no one really knows where ruthaford is buried.

  there is some word of mouth evidence that he is buried under the garage of beth sarim.

  i think he is under the garage.

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  The front cover of the May/June 1996 Free Minds Journal provides a rearview of Beth-Sarim (indicating it was for sale) with a caption, “Is Joe [J.F.R.] buried in the back yard?” On the back page a brief review of Beth-Sarim concludes: “Fred Franz, fourth WT president, often indicated Rutherford was (illegally) buried in the back yard.” In a telephone conversation about the statement attributed to Franz, ex-Bethelite and Free Minds Journal editor Randall Watters said that he heard this from a number of persons who had worked in Watchtower headquarters.45

  This account is further verified by Mike, a Jehovah’s Witness, who along with a friend visited the Brooklyn headquarters early in 1987. Their visit took them to Franz’s office. He asked Franz about a story he had heard about a burial site on a piece of property that was not part of the original estate . Who was buried there? Without any hesitation — he remembers it as clearly as if it happened yesterday — Franz said, “Judge Rutherford was buried there.”
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  Do you think Ruthaford is buried at Beth Sharim?

  by blownaway in

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  no one really knows where ruthaford is buried.

  there is some word of mouth evidence that he is buried under the garage of beth sarim.

  i think he is under the garage.

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  new boy

  Rutherford has no known grave so in an interview with Fred Franz before he died he basically stated he was buried there. Rumor has it he is buried underneath the garage floor under 6 inches of concrete. Maybe he is down there inside one of his Packers.

  The society had to bury him on the sly because the city San Diego refused their request to do this there.
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  "New Light" on "New Light"

  by new boy in

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  it’s just the “new light” is much better and brighter than the old light.

  1965: more “new light.” these men will be resurrected, for sure.. 1988: jehovah apparently changed his mind once again.

  the light gets brighter.

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  new boy

  Good question Tiki

  It usually goes this way.

  A married couple who have been enjoying good oral sex before they become JWs stop doing this activity now that they heard the truth about it. That it was something only Satan could have invented. In the heat of passion fall prey to temptation once again and do the unthinkable. Now one of the two (usually the wife) knows there is only one thing she must do. She must go to the elders and lay bare her and her husbands transgression.

  The three "brothers" who happen to be elders, none of whom have a college education. In fact one is a janitor, one is a car salesman (who used to watch porn late at night himself) and last brother who hasn't worked for years (because Armageddon is coming any day) will want to know in every detail how this act was preformed. They will want to know what she was feeling when this activity was happening....did she feel guilty.... what was she thinking...was she thinking about field service? Or maybe she was thinking about how she and her husband could be DFed for this and thus be killed at Armageddon.

  I hope this information has been helpful.
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  "New Light" on "New Light"

  by new boy in

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  it’s just the “new light” is much better and brighter than the old light.

  1965: more “new light.” these men will be resurrected, for sure.. 1988: jehovah apparently changed his mind once again.

  the light gets brighter.

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  new boy

  Of course, the leaders of the Jehovah’s Witnesses can never say they were ever wrong about anything. The reason for this is that the leaders have told everyone a thousand times over, including in their publications, that this organization is run directly by God Himself. We are told that the “Governing Body” gets all their information directly from God. How else could God’s only true religion on Earth be run? That is why in their 150 plus year history, there has never been an apology. (Even with the 1975 debacle, they blamed the publishers for “reading too much into the date” and not themselves. More on this soon.)

  However, despite God running the place, the leaders have screwed up and changed their minds and policies over the years. They have done this on dozens of occasions.

  Since God can never be wrong, they had to come up with the term “new light.” The old light isn’t wrong of course. It could never be. It’s just the “new light” is much better and brighter than the old light. Very clever don’t you think?

  Here are some of the few examples of how “the new light” has come into play or as they say “the light has gotten brighter” over the years.

  On whether or not the gay men of Sodom would be resurrected to the paradise Earth:

  1879: These men will be resurrected.

  1952: The light gets brighter. These men will not be resurrected.

  1965: More “new light.” These men will be resurrected, for sure.

  1988: Jehovah apparently changed his mind once again. These men will not be resurrected!

  How about the separating of the "sheep and the goats ” during the judgment period?"

  1919: It will take place after the time of tribulation.

  1923: It is taking place now, before the tribulation.

  1995: Guess what? The light gets brighter. It will take place after the time of tribulation.

  Then you have the ‘Lord’ in Romans 10: 12-16

  1903: 'Lord' refers to Jesus.

  1940: The light gets brighter? 'Lord’ refers to Jehovah.

  1978: The light gets dimmer? 'Lord' refers to Jesus.

  1980: The light gets brighter once again? 'Lord' refers to Jehovah.

  These are just a few of the hundreds of things the Society has changed their mind on over the years.

  They say they are directed by god himself and they say he never lies. So why would their god Jehovah give so much false or misleading information over the years? How and why would he flip flop so many times?

  Seems light from god might be on a on a dimmer switch sometimes, brightening the light and dimming it once again.

  But who knows, maybe it’s not God changing his mind about all this stuff. It’s just a bunch of confused old church leaders, just like in the other religions in the world who all claim God is only talking to them.

  If this “new light” stuff is pretty confusing, just ask Jehovah’s Witnesses about it. They won’t be able to explain it either.

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  I called up Bethel a few minutes ago

  by new boy in

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  what the heck.. i couldn't believe it, norm brekkie and tom combs are still alive.. norm is so out of it he couldn't tell you what day of the week it was.. i talked to larry fisher he is gone mentally also.

  he couldn't even remember when he went to bethel.. then i called up daryl christenson.

  he wasn't so friendly.

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  No Carol Combs is very much alive in fact she was the one that picked up the phone first today. It has been 45 years since I had been there so of course they didn't know who the hell I was. I told both Norm and Tom they are both be in my book. Tom said "it will be flattering?" "Of course" I said. I'm going to mail them all the book when it comes out.

  The funny thing is,I saw so much nasty shit in just 4 years there can you imagine all the nasty stuff they have seen in over 50 years there....
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  I called up Bethel a few minutes ago

  by new boy in

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  what the heck.. i couldn't believe it, norm brekkie and tom combs are still alive.. norm is so out of it he couldn't tell you what day of the week it was.. i talked to larry fisher he is gone mentally also.

  he couldn't even remember when he went to bethel.. then i called up daryl christenson.

  he wasn't so friendly.

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  new boy

  What the heck.

  I couldn't believe it, Norm Brekkie and Tom Combs are still alive.

  Norm is so out of it he couldn't tell you what day of the week it was.

  I talked to Larry Fisher he is gone mentally also. He couldn't even remember when he went to Bethel.

  Then I called up Daryl Christenson. He wasn't so friendly. I forgot I had sent him the book I wrote about reincarnation called "Your Crazy Life". He wanted to know my standing with the organization. I said "I was out." He said he couldn't talk to me. He told me, I needed to go to the local elders. Funny he has been at Bethel for over 52 years and an elder for most that time. yet he couldn't talk to me but the local elders can.

  Go figure!

  P.S. He said he read my book cover to cover. I was very surprised.
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  Loose Conduct

  by Hangin_on in

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  my friend has been married 25 years.

  he works with another jw.

  they kissed and he touched her nipples but did not have sex with her.

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  new boy

  It all depends, how long did he play with her nipples a few minutes or hours? The elders will ask all kinds of questions about this. They will ask what he was thinking about when he was doing this. They will ask if he was enjoying this activity. They will ask about the size and shape of her nipples. This could be all quit complicated. A very serious matter.

  However if he is a pedophile and there wasn't 2 or more witnesses to the act they would just let go with a harsh warning.
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  Don't even try it!

  by JTrottigy in

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  there are many here who think they can infiltrate my web-site.

  be warned that we administrators of jwtalk call the listed congregation on your application for membership in our site to verify if they know you!.

  some of you have slipped through the cracks and got into our site, but rest assured, we will find you out and ban you!.

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  new boy

  So on their web site it says.

  
  

  We seek to maintain an upbuilding, entertaining, safe, open, and intellectually stimulating environment, where mature Christians can exercise their God-given "freeness of speech." (2 Corinthians 3:12) A few principles can help us to do that:

  
  We reserve the right to edit or delete posts, at our discretion, to meet with our code of conduct rules.

  
  

  Freeness of speech?.....Say anything you want as long as we agree with it. Yep they are the watchtower bible and truck society alright
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  Hatred From My Children for Not Leaving the Organization Earlier

  by new boy in

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  i'm not proud of the fact that it took me over 50 years to realized what the organization really was and to finally leave it.

  not proud at all, i feel pretty stupid.

  however i didn't lose my children.

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  new boy

  "We trust our parents and like to think they are putting their children's interests above their own. They know how hard life can be and therefore would want their kids to have a decent education instead of holding them back, just as an example."

  Your right of course, except when the religion you happened to be raised in tell you to put their policies a head of their own family well being ....How many parents have even killed their own children by not giving them blood?
  
  
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  Hatred From My Children for Not Leaving the Organization Earlier

  by new boy in

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  i'm not proud of the fact that it took me over 50 years to realized what the organization really was and to finally leave it.

  not proud at all, i feel pretty stupid.

  however i didn't lose my children.

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  new boy

  I apologized to my son today, in person. It wasn't just the JW thing. His life kind of went to shit after his divorcee. I have become a giant pinata for him. The JW thing was just one of many ways he can point out my short comings....which of course are many.

  He has plenty of time to sit around and think about how screwed over he is. The many poor choices he and other people like me have made that has created the hell he is now in.

  The blame game....

  Funny how family members know all your hot buttons. I already feel bad enough about my many wasted years as a Jehovah's Witness and than to get it all thrown back into my face.....salt on the wound.